BeltFed wrote: I'm not knocking Varget because I got consistant results with it, but I got better groups with Win. 30 TC. 30-378 Wby Mag. So is the case. The primer you use is immaterial. Register: Home: Forums: Classifieds: About : Gun Hub > Gun Hub Forum > Ammunition: What is the best powder for the 30-30? Swiss get 24/7 fighter jet protection. Although The High Road has attempted to provide accurate information on the forum, The High Road assumes no responsibility for the accuracy of the information. The .223 caliber has evolved from the battlefield AR-15 platform to popular sporting use in varmint and predator hunting, match competition, and all-around plinking fun. Buy, Sell, and Trade your Firearms and Gear. I like that it is insensitive to temperature, which is handy because I can do my load development when it's cold, then shoot when it's blazingly hot out without and still shoot to the same point of aim (as long as the gun isn't susceptible to temperature and humidity variations.) I have heard that Varget is . Powder Bul Weight C.O.L. The only negative thing I have noticed is that if the cartridges are left in the sun on a warm day, the velocities will rise and the primers will flatten a little more. 30/40 Krag. I have no experience with 748 and this bullet, but it should work fine. 300 Rem Ultra Mag. I almost feel like I'm shooting a blackpowder gun. Where is the best place to start? Per the Winchester website: "Winchester 760 is a ball powder designed to duplicate the 30-06 Springfield factory load ballistics. 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User Name: Remember Me? 47.5 gr. 40 grains of RL-15, Varget, 4064, and 4895 all give excellent accuracy. They both meter well from an RCBS … Is this typical with this powder, or ball powders in general? The proper burn rate powder for the .308 is a mid-range rifle powder, which gives the reloader a large selection of … I didn't go any further because the case was already as full as I would want for running the load on the progressive. With Varget my 100yd groups ran 1" to 1 1/2" with just about any charge I used. WATCH: Highlights from Bills' 48-19 win vs. Broncos Nick Wojton 12/21/2020. I made three each with standard and magnum primers. Top . My loads are all for hunting using Nosler PAR, Speer or Barnes TTSX bullets that are 150 or 130gr _____ A 30cal will reach out and touch them....A 50bmg will kick them in the rear. 4064 had had 1" groups at best at 100 yards. I have two pounds of Win 760 ball powder that I just bought this week, but decided I don't want to yet another powder to keep track of. WW-748 is the same "spec" powder as military WC-846, which is also the same "spec" as Hodgdon Bl-C2. 41.5 gr. Join Date: Jan 2004. 300 WSM. can be loaded with bullets between 90 and 180 grains, but the sweet spot for the cartridge is bullet weights from 130 to 150 grains. You will never "duplicate" M118LR no matter what you do, but making ammunition that is just as good is easy. 308 win: TAC vs VARGET vs RE-15 : whats your fav do you find different powders work better with different weight bullets or different twists? The bullet is the key. The .270 Win. So is the powder. Min Charge Max Charge Optimal Charge Bullet Make Bullet Type Primer Notes; Accurate - 2230: 130 gr. WIN 748 Versus Varget for 308 Win and 233 R I have used both for .223 but prefer Varget. I do quite well in a number of rifles/pistols using Win 748 or Benchmark. But, this powder seems to take 40patches to clean after half has many shots. They list BL-C(2) as number 60 on their list and Winchester 748 as number 62. 300 Wby Mag. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Brass type (mil spec vs commercial) and action type of rifle (semi, bolt, breakopen) are the main determining factors of the best load for your 308 WIN. Hand Loading Rifles & Handguns by Diamond K Brass, Blackpowder Mortar & Cannon by Seacoast Artillery, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. As suggested you will find the sweet spot for your rifle. 30-06 Sprg Ack Imp. The Hodgdon Reloading Data Center (RDC) lists 21 different powder types that can be used in the .223. In MY rifles, Varget is more accurate for 60 grain bullets, and heavier. 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