And by the time your done youll have nothing but rocks in your pocket if you keep her in the fun mode. Its not free-floating, but it is worlds beyond USGI for ergonomics and utility. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Springfield Armory is a major maker. All Saints feature the same forged upper and lower receivers marked "MULTI-CALIBER". The Ruger AR-556 has a cold hammer-forged barrel that a Sport II does not have. Many people were really skeptical about buying into Springfield's very first version of the AR-15, but since, it has become one of the more popular budget-friendly AR-15s for both entry-level shooters and veterans alike. People that say this gun is junk crack me up !! Sure. They were a great price seller on bulk ammo. If you already have one, you might think about getting a couple more to pass on to your grandchildren. Hours of review videos later, I found myself with a lengthy internet history and some positive assurance about the Saint. I've put 500+ rounds through a Saint. The problem was me. Im sure all our readers know that we are in another ammo drought the worse one ever and I dont think we will recover from it for many years, this time around. I say this, if you can find no other, it will most likely work for you. Make sure all the preps are in place. So mags loaded and gun cleaned I took it to the range this morning. Took it to the range Sunday. Yes, pressure on the barrel can affect POI, but it's blown out of proportion. However, I was shooting in a light rain and I might have been distracted a bit. Theres nothing this gun needs. I've seen ARs with standard handguards shoot 1 MOA with hand loads, and that's 10 shot groups, not the bullsh*t 3 shot group internet commandos love to go by. I am not in any way saying anything about Springfield, the company, here, but the legacy Springfield which won wars, a government owned and operated Springfield, has absolutely no relationship today's Springfield, a private company which purchased the right to use the name. With about a 6.25 lb trigger pull, the Saint is a bit better than the standard entry-level AR-15 that normally rocks the infamous MilSpec AR trigger. SAINT Victor .308 Features. If the incoming has admin has its way well be like the Jews in Palestine in 1948 cranking out ammo in secret basements. 3 9 9 comments Best Add a Comment The ammo seems to be relatively cheap and still available at least in my area]. Which is the better option? Buyers who know their safety is their own responsibility. So, to which Springfield modern sporting rifle are you referring? Notice the all BCM furniture on the rifle, every component is American made. Could be wrong but I heard the Saint was made in China? Having a good bit of experience with many types of military firearms, I am an AK/SKS guy by default, having fallen in love, so to speak, with them in Vietnam. M-lock freefloat rail, and a really nice trigger. Would instead recommend OP buy a complete upper and lower from Aero Precision and slap 'em together. When they announced that they were making an AR-type rifle, every gun enthusiast was ecstatic. Look closely at the specifications list on the Springfield Armory website and see the detail differences. So glad I did because the PMAG-30 that came with the gun felt a little weak as if it was a mag not suitable for retail sale by itself- Just a hunch I thought. My knowledge of hand guns and hand gun ammo is sorely lacking. With both guns, all groups were right around 1.5-inches again, at 50-yards, with iron sightsI think with more practice, I could shrink those groups down a bit more. Thank you. ******* Dont talk to me about price when your life may be on the line. Yesterday I field stripped and lightly cleaned it- Rifle came nicely lubricated but a little too much for my standards so I wiped and cleaned then re-oiled. I'm happy with it, it's a good little rifle. The BCM Gunfighter forend uses M-Lok attachment slots. Weve got a dedicated section for the AR-15 here. The Saint seriesevery variation in the lineuphas engineering ideas and specific parts incorporated to ramp up these guns to what we, custom builders, have been incorporating for years now. Springfield Saint Victor 5.56mm AR-15 Pistol with SBA3 Pistol Stabilizing Brace. I don't think either is a good deal for your purpose or really any other. Established name, good reputation, simple sights already attached and a lifetime warranty.you want more? I don't like a carbine length gas system on a 16" barrel and the Ruger has that, not sure about the Springfield. The problem is almost akin to the problem the characters in the movie The Road and another movie The Survivalist ammunition scarcity. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Start Drinking Purified Water now with a Berkey water filtration system. Notify Me When Available. Glock lists five different pistols in .40: the G22, G 23, G 24, G27, G35. As of publishing time (Oct. 23), Springfield is shipping the pistol out in limited quantities. (Josh Wayner for TTAG) Specs: SIGM400 TREAD by SIG SAUER. Press J to jump to the feed. anything extra and your I don't consider it a base rifle for future modification and feel they are best left as is. Theyre probably not going to be able to buy them when they become adults. window.PixleeAsyncInit = function() {Pixlee.init({apiKey:"D9gKCa4iiyIe5iWAbR33"});Pixlee.addSimpleWidget({lightbox:true, widgetId:2096912});}; Back to the start: Springfield Armory chose a good build sheet for the Saint. Manipulation is comfortable and natural, while the overall feel is sturdy but definitely not heavy. The Shooter's Log, is to provide informationnot opinionsto our customers and the shooting community. You may know Springfield from their famed M1A rifles and 1911s . I was more than a little surprised at this, I was sure the Springfield would turn out to be a little more accurate because of the great trigger pull. Controls are similar, such as the bolt catch and the selector. Gray, we may end up taking a lot of lessons from the Jewish settlers as Christians and Christian values come under more and more attack from the left. The two most easily spotted differences between the original AR-556 and the MPR are barrel length and the handguard. The MPR's 16-inch barrel has a 1:8 twist. When you find a different stock you prefer, swap it out. 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The Ruger AR-556 does not have a standard A2 grip, whereas Sport II has an A2 grip, and both have different barrel and receiver finishing. Lots of guns are being sold as every time I went to a local store several customers were filling out the 4473 forms. Ruger has a ring that tists tight to hold the foregrip whereas the M&P has the traditional one. The furniture, as already mentioned is completely different on these guns. Supply is bleak and prices are up. Objective review where many cant be objective when it comes to Springfield Armory products due to politics. Home Firearms AR-15s How the Springfield Saint Compares to Other AR-15 Platforms. The gun has some great features including an M-LOK aluminum free-float handguard with patent-pending Springfield locking tabs for unlimited customization. Unfortunately I am a reloader and the components ( bullets, primers and powder) are very hard to come by now. Brand: Springfield. God Bless you all (especially folks like Pat and commentators who have given me great advice!). Skip to main content Skip to search. I was a little worried. S&W is close right in there with Ruger and probably has a similar option. H Allen Davis Another nice touch on the Springfield Saint is that, like that URG-I, the gas block is pinned in place, not just affixed with set screws. A reliable carbine-length direct gas impingement operating system nicely complements this SAINT's abbreviated architecture. I cant honestly say, when it came to accuracy, one gun was better at it than the other, and I was shooting premium .223 ammo in both guns. Colt is a little more pricey but kind of the gold standard. Im so happy with it i dont feel the need for a better 5.56 rifle and ive had it for several years. Its a possibility now days; of course, the blame will be placed on Global Warming. Springfield has also released eight SAINT variants over the preceding years; almost all of these, fortunately, features a. my glocks eat it all day long without fail; but I like to tell him hes limp wristed. While I am generally in favor of DIY projects and saving money, I think that building an AR would be a good project for later. I love it too! When it came to the Ruger, I like that it is a basic no-frills AR carbine, and it felt great in my hands, and when I shouldered it. Springfield Saint Vs. Ruger 556 & Colt. I will caution you that I think .40 ammo is getting very scarce compared to 9mm and .45. I took it out and fired it in a Glock 19, Glock 22 with a 9mm conversion barrel and a Beretta 96 with a 92 conversion barrel. I have a full power hunting rifle, lever-action pistol caliber carbine, and a basic shotgun. I dont know, if they still do. I own the Springfield Saint rifle and the Springfield Victor Pistol and love them both. . This feels different from the last scare after obama was elected. They both have different furniture though, and that means something to many people we have our preferences, of course. That is a recommended consideration. One is a through and through American firearms company with excellent customer service. [And yes, it was a potentially dangerous accident.]. I own several ARs and all shoot well. For my fellow gun-nerds out there, here are the key specifications and the numbers to go with them, provided by Springfield. A One-Time Donation (You choose the amount): A $5 Dollar bill, a 5 Euro bill, a few Pre-1965 silver dimes, or a booklet of Forever U.S. postage stamps sent in the mail also works! You can now buy the Free Float Handguard version, the Lightweight Edge, or Pistol with SB Tactical Brace and 7.5 barrel! The furniture, as already mentioned is completely different on these guns. Hand-Picked Daily GUN DEALS, and Exclusive Coupons Codes >>>. But I did put a Franklin Armory Binary trigger in her and she will rock! Springfield knows when to invent their own wheel, and when theres just no reason to reinvent a perfectly functioning wheel available from worthwhile others. The Saint Edge models start at $1,300. Item Number: STV975556B-SBA3. Furniture on the Saint is from Bravo Company, another good choice (very popular and highly recommended in the aftermarket). This thing is light, fun, reliable, accurate and easy on the eyes. So when I say they are all what they should be, that means Springfield Armory wrote the right build sheet. I recently Demod it along side a Sig M400 tread & a S&W M&P15. They read well,and I've watched vids.. About the same price too. 03-28-2022, 08:38 AM #2 BuckyTownsend Senior Member Join Date Jan 2017 Posts 2,013 save your money, do the research, and then assemble what you want from individual components. It may help to offer him brass you dont need or lead if hes a caster. While many people (myself included) were skeptical of Springfields first AR-15, the Saint has proven itself to be a stand-out among entry-level AR-15s. Good article, people need basic firearms. bought mine about 6 months ago and put several hundreds rounds thru it and frankly think this is a smokin' deal, in OD Green looks like love at first sight. Well, youll likely want a few more, but Magpul is good. Required fields are marked *. Some names that have entry level ARs with decent reputations, are DPMS, Stag Arms, Smith & Wesson, and if you watch to find them on sale you can get Bushmaster and Rock River for less than 800. My HD gun is a featureless M4 like build. Caliber: 5.56 NATO. But if I had both steel and brass cased ammo available, I would choose brass every time. The two that are strongest contenders in my research are the 16" Ruger MPR with B5 furniture (Model 8542), or the 16" Saint Victor (STV916556B). The Bravo Company Buttstock is sturdy yet comfortable, the A2-style front sight gives it a vintage look, and the Nickel Boron bolt carrier slides with ease. Sure, you can pay a lot more for a fancier AR than either the Ruger AR-556 or the Springfield Armory Saint AR, but I dont believe you will be getting more of any AR. Also price. Those were very depressing scenarios and one that hopefully most readers of this site will take heed and stockpile as much as possible for what may come- especially if the Biden/Harris team and their nefarious minions have their day. For the price of each of them and the quality of parts and reliability all considered. If you dont have a semiautomatic rifle with many magazines and ammunition, if you have the money, buy now! The extended port location also means a shorter post-port barrel length, and this reduces the time the system is under max pressure. I have had a Stag for 7-8 years now, model 2 flat top. Let me add that before I ordered the gun, while I waited, and during the time between receiving it and actually shooting; I watched dozens of YouTube videos of how the Saint jams up- Especially that guy that made a three part video about his issues with the Saint and SA. At its core, the SAINT M-Lok is a solid rifle with forged receivers and a high-quality bolt, gas system and barrel. Great AR-15 and got her for about $889.00ish at Cabelas. Free Targets and Target Tracker Shooting Logs! But I took it tot he range and took it easy- Sighted in my red dot and and took single shots. Those both ar-15s are the Ruger an r56 and M&P sport 2. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Feels absolutely fantastic in the hand. I would go with the Ruger. JP The extractor is destroying the casing when it fires so it has nothing to grab on to in order to extract. Ruger seems to have a nicer barrel and bolt aslt assembly but maybe not as durable of an outer finish. I'm new to the AR type guns and have read a bunch on each of these. Something the wife likes! The AR is manufactured by the Armalite Co. You seem to be operating under the misunderstanding that AR stands for "assult rifle". I always recommend setting aside some of that ammo for training. Cheers BMW DOG. None at all- The gun sighted in quickly and was super accurate. Alternatively, type (Glock .40 review) and see what comes up. My JP rifle that was 3 times the price has experienced the same thing. Upon getting it home I found it to be steel case. The result is lower gas port pressure, nicer manners and better function. But in the ever-evolving world of the AR-15, prices are dropping while quality is skyrocketing for Americas favorite sporting rifle. So I walked into the store selling the M&P five minutes after the last one sold. You do not pay Have to admit, it I had the funds, I would love to try the Saint. Id personally go with the Ruger. c/o P.O. In late 2016, Springfield joined the competitive and ever-growing market for Americas favorite sporting rifle. 150 plus days of rioting in Portland Or, businesses being damaged and burned down in Minn, New York, L.A and other large cities. Bravo Company: Mod 0, Mod 2, Recce 14/16. I believe that, if I mounted some kind of magnifying optics on both rifles, I could have easily gotten groups down to about of an inch or less, without too much trouble.