Over the years the Wine Alley had been severely neglected by the council and in the 1980s like a lot of places in Britain people were faced with high unemployment, drug abuse and crime, it continued to get worse and the homes were in such a bad state due to continued council neglect and lack of investment that they were demolished by 1995 and the people scattered to the 4 corners of Govan and beyond.http://www.acumfaegovan.com The first trade I learnt was stealing and gambling yet it seemed normal to all of us as children. 14). For instance; my mother was standing on the banks of the Clyde in 1938, when the Queen Mary was launched. I went to Hillstrust School until I was 10 then we moved to Nitshill which I was not so fond of, Govan was a great place to live we were always putting on concerts round the backs and folk would hang out the windows to watch the performance there was always stuff going on or buss-runs that our streets would organise and the Govan Fair, Govanites were great. Around this time heroin dealing was rife in Govan, particularly in an area called Moorepark, which was nicknamed Wine Alley. [20], Traditionally viewed as a lower working-class area, Govan has typically supported the Labour Party, but the Scottish National Party (SNP) has also been strong there. Many of the latter were too poor, ignorant and disorganised to remedy the situation themselves, and so the earliest community planners or social agencies necessarily undertook the first initiatives for planning and providing for people. Komunitn organizcia. However, as soon as Bishop Loch got permission to build, they immediately decided to cancel the hotel, and double the amount of private houses to a 1,000. No1seems2care. He thought that important questions are never asked because mistakes in the finish of the whole are not seen until it is too late. I can remember having to use the toilet on the landing using a massive key to open the door. It seemed a dangerous idea but worth the risk if they could dent a hole in a major heroin dealing operation. At the time, it was the fifth largest burgh in Scotland and contained within its boundaries, the areas of Plantation, Cessnock, Ibrox, Craigton and Drumoyne. Other Sundays maybe Helen and I would visit the graves of our mothers at Cardonald Cemetery (her mother died when she was 5). He also procured a contract with the Royal Navy to produce vessels, notably the Jackal, the Lizard, and the Bloodhound. Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. Introduction In 1975 the sociologist Sean Damer went to live for six months in Britain's most notorious housing scheme, Moorepark, or as it was known to all The Wine Alley' of Govan in Glasgow. We loved the years living there and in 1949, our little sister was born at 22 Shaw St., That same year we moved to Penilee, but when my sister and I were seventeen, our parents moved back to Govan because the house in Penilee was very damp, so our parents got an exchange to a house on Govan Rd., the cooperative building next to Fairfield's shipyard. Beforesentencing, judge Lord Caplan told Burnside: ''You have been a significant dealer in a dreadful trade and the courts have seen the havoc it causes among young persons. This latter kingdom, established in the aftermath of the Viking siege and capture of Alt Clut by Vikings from Dublin in AD 870, created the sandstone sculptures known today as the Govan Stones. Click on the Bus route to see step by step directions with maps, line arrival times and updated time schedules. I'm sure many of these places will have been demolished or renamed but it would be great to hear from anyone who knows of the family or can provide any more details. By the 1860s, the village needed a higher order of administration and it was made a burgh in 1864, under the General Police (Scotland) Act 1862. [27], In 1971, Upper Clyde Shipbuilders went into receivership and the Conservative government led by Edward Heath refused to give them a 6,000,000 loan. With five suspected drug dealers in the cells and 200,000 worth of heroin seized, it had been a very productive day for the police. [1][2] By the early 20th century Moorepark was bounded by the commercial properties, tenements and villas of the Broomloan estate to the east and railway lines to the west. Glasgow Green Flagstones at Jocelyn Square in front of the McLennan Arch inform us that this was the site of public executions in the city until 1865. [4] In 1864, Govan gained burgh status, and was the fifth-largest burgh in Scotland. During the two-week surveillance every addict who called at Burnside's flat for drugs was then arrested by the team and questioned. 109m Bells Bar . Many members of the family were married at St Anthonys Chapel. It was fantastic we even had a large grass area to play such a great childhood. As a result, it proved very simple for them to track the gang movements on a day-to-day basis. Was never out your streets up the fighting lol Peg & the Fleet pussies,Possil Border kicked your assesmany times. They share a rivalry with St Anthony's F.C. We also have a great selection of craft beers! I was born in 1952 and lived in Golspie St until I was 10 when we moved to Garthamlock. Remember, Charlies sweet shop opposite us, where after playing football we were soaked in sweat, you got a glass of lemonade for threepence. He had a kilt on and a curly walking stick. He also complained about the abusive term Wine Alley, which was always quoted by officialdom whenever Moorepark scheme came under discussion Hi, I'm not from Govan though my grandparents, Janet (Nettie) and David Finlayson owned a newsagents in Neptune Street in the 1940s/1950s. [19] It was removed in the early 19th century and Reid's Dyeworks was erected on the site. I would like to know if anyone remembers these times. It was dedicated to St Constantine, who had been buried at Govan. Jack, Margaret, Frank, Gerry, May, Charlie and Kathleen, Annie Maguire's 7 children. The Moorepark area is served by Ibrox subway station on the Glasgow Subway system,[15] which is located on the corner of Copland Road and Woodville Street. The second outcome was a general agreement among officials to stop using the abusive term of Wine Alley as this served only to reproduce the stigma of the scheme. Sometimes it was hillarious, waiting in the queue to get onto that seat, and having to use The News of The World as toilet paper.wow! Memory says it was painted red but I might be wrong. I look forward to reading further. Community service. He wanted to discover how and why such places came into being and to see if remedies could be found. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. For other uses, see. It was my first Saturday job and I worked there for about a year until the very day when it closed, which I think was in June 1972. The Govan ferry was something special for us to go on, either by ourselves or with our mum. In June 2004 the Scottish Parliaments Public Petition Committee heard presentations from Govan Community Council about the failure of local regeneration policies in housing, poverty and unemployment. The scheme was codenamed Operation Buckfast after a brand of tonic wine popular in the area. Darners second criticism was that the Tenants Association in the scheme had no local leadership or community say over who came into the scheme. Unresolved: Release in which this issue/RFE will be addressed. I went to Harmony Row school and below is my class photograph from around 1957, I have given the names as far as I remember starting at the back row left. My dad was taken in to see the wee boy, turns out it was me. The jumps I remember were at the swing park at Harhill across from the steamie and at Greenfield where we jumped the middens and shelter and going along the wall (single brick width). I was born in Broomloan Road by the pot heid (TSB) bank which is still there. Redevelopment was never completed and the combined effects of poor building specifications, and carelessness in the design of the surrounding spaces were becoming embarrassingly apparent. Police enter in twos with another car on standby. There I was, short hair, snotty-nosed from crying and eating an ice cream cone. I found this site by mistake while i was trying to find people that i used to hang around with in Govan, I lived in Rathlin Street, opposite the Elder picture house, my mum and dad were Mary and Eddie Mellon and brothers Paul and Ward. I remember Betty McPhee, Margaret Liversidge, the Gourlay brothers and Brian Wilson.We lived in the top floor for a few years and the moved to bigger flat on first floor with a bathroom. This is a small family owned and operated place. We used to prick our fingers to drop blood into the fish tank where the (goldfish-sized) piranhas were and watch them converge on the blood. I was wondering if anyone had any information on the McSherry family? Pauline Belkadi: Thanks for the name of the shop 'Bobby's'. He had a broken leg, but we cuddled and comforted him until someone with a car was found, hours later, to get him to the vets. Drug and alcohol abuse was a widespread problem and unemployment stood at 30% - three times the national average. February 15, 2020 at 4:10 PM @ Anonymous LMFAO ! The local hire firm in Govan wasn't aware that their customer was a drug dealer. Clyde News. If I could I would have bought many! USA. Furthermore, although the new regeneration programme mentions housing quality and physical improvements as valid points in deprived locals, they are still regarded as unessential to regeneration. Although Govan was the stated setting for the show, episodes were seldom filmed there. The Bookies, Archie and Peter Logan ran their Book from the back court. You never forget these things, but what great days and what character building it was. @AlanJParks" The spin put on the regeneration programmes of the past have put too much emphasis on bricks and mortar rather than helping people deal with their own problems themselves. Providing activities for member children and young people Providing informal and formal training for family members I personally don't have any memories of Govan although I'm sure I visited family who were living there many years ago in the late sixties. I'll do a bit of investigating. Another trick was to get a queue lined up outside his house but to serve only half of them and tell the others to come back later. That is why this Reflection will critically examine the Moorepark experience (within the context of community planning) from before Darners time to the 1970s and the present, where it will question if there have been any real changes in attitudes between then and today or worse, are the same mistakes being repeated, and is proven good work being ignored? Lots of memories too many to say here. In Great Britain, community planning has evolved and not only has it kept its identity, but it has also retained its application as a primary vehicle through which social change is enacted at a local level, by members of the community acting together to improve the lifestyle of the group as a whole. Local people were also too scared to speak out for fear of reprisals. These were not cleared until well into the 1970s. In Canada, I joined the Royal Canadian Air Force, and served 37 years before retiring. Mum married and moved to Whiteinch as a child and I remember going across on the ferry to Govan, Anyone recall my mum? He was lim, dark-haired and kind, probably in his 30s. Yup I'll always be from Govan even though we lived a bus ride with the messages away from it in Shieldhall, that was situated near to the 50 pitches, I remember well my Dad and me watching the shipyards football competitions. But. During my first year studying sociology I came across Damer again in the form of a book that he had written about poverty and deprivation in the Wine Alley but put it to the back of my mind. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. sau. I remember the days my sister and I would take part in the fair while we were in a dancing school, which was named Thompsons. In 1885, the yard moved further west to its present site and was reorganised as the Fairfield Shipbuilding and Engineering Company Ltd. The faults were caused mainly by a lack of insulation and waterproofing at the joints in the concrete panels, which made up the structure. NGR Description Centred NS55416 65081. We had some chalk on us and we wrote on the outside of the lovely red tiles on the wall. who originated from the Helen Street area of Govan, but are now based further west at Shieldhall. I was born 1951 in 57 Nethan St. Her daughter had a hairdressers just up from St Constantine's, I think, and my Gran got me to go along and help her wash the towels on Saturday night. In 1841, Robert Napier began iron shipbuilding in Govan, and in 1843 produced its first ship, the Vanguard. Added to these miseries, Damer also found that drug I think the whisky bond was one of them. It was later in 1974 that she began her Stairhead Seminars in the so-called "Wine Alley" area of Govan which led, in 1976, to the Govan Project. I can't remember what we wrote, but we were very busy. I used to go to Jack's Bakers on a Saturday morning for a dozen rolls and half a dozen teabread and I still got change from a half a crown (12.5 pence), happy days! 103m Big Mouth . Former. Although the scheme had a bad reputation for crime, drinking and violence, as a child I never felt unsafe or deprived in any way and knew only kindness from my family, friends, relatives and neighbours. When they checked the mileage they realise it was being used for much longer trips of up to 600 miles a time. Sources Wineally for Wine Producers We make your wines shine by having them served with matching dishes in restaurants or at home. 25 bus to the Gladstone Gospel Hall at the corner of Golspie St and Logie St. Based on this, Govan's Cumbric language name has been reconstructed as *(G)uovan. What a memory. Our children and grandchildren have been back many times as well. It was regarded at the time as perhaps the worst slum in Britain, and the people who lived there were treated like vermin by the authorities whom we treated likewise. During fortnight surveillance in February 1989, they discovered that the same gang member had hired his biggest car yet. Everyone used our street for roller skating, we called it thd smoothie! When I was a wee lassie of four living on Neptune Street in the early 50's I walked away down the street from our close and got lost. One hypothesis is that it was a prehistoric burial mound. In this way they dispelled the idea of the workers being "work-shy" and also wanted to illustrate the long-term viability of the yards. Gran was Annie Murphy but her dad died when she was 4 and her mother remarried John Johnston and went on to have a huge number of children - and as we research the family, we keep finding more. In 1855, an elaborately carved sandstone sarcophagus was found during digging in the churchyard. The partnership works by: As I recall they sold very trendy tops marketed as Trendy. It was a beautiful building and I would have thought that the powers that be could have used it for something. Govan was thriving in those days. We loved it there and had best times growing up in Govan, a great wee community and a great bunch of people, neighbours were great and we had lots of great friends to play with. Through the ages people have lived in houses, building them according to the climate, topography, the material available, and the social and cultural ideas of the time. Galbraith shop opposite Elderpark, they sold us kids a bag of broken biscuits. Then there was the shake the blanket with my older sisters and friends my turn wasn't coming fast enough so as usual I was whining so they gave me my turn and shake the blanket shake the blanket 1-2-3 they lifted me in the air and let the blanket go results bleeding nose and they all got a right telling off. No1seems2care. It was a them and us attitude that persisted right up until the Wine Alley was demolished in the late 1990s. 2 Markus, 1993, p. 148 My family lived at 100 Harmony Row, Govan until I was 10 (born 1953), I lived there with my father Guido Gonnella, my mom Susan, brother William and sisters Helen Marie and Susan also lived with us. 3 Smith, 1999, p. 40-41 'The. My Aunt and Uncle Kathleen and Tommy Blacker lived in 6 Rathlin Street, Govan. Looking at Govan when it was a village, and film of how it grew into a town, we felt very proud of being born and raised in dear auld Govan.