-- Jedi Master Jordan. Surrogates Work for Grandparents (and Other Relatives), Too My uncle, who is my dad's sister's kid, is married to my girlfriend's auntie. Here's why the officer's widow believes Kamala Harris denied them justice. What does that make Michelle and me in relation to each other? Notice that I can thus have an in-law without being married myself. My husband's father was my grandma's nephew. Background. Rep. Susie Lee Suzanne (Susie) Kelley Lee MORE (D-Nev.) said Wednesday that she had tested positive for COVID-19 just one day after her mother, Joan … For all those worried about birth defects, I can assure them my family was perfectly normal. Her grandfather is my uncle; my father's brother. is the naming patterns. Which means between the four of them, I have a good chance of finding most of the matches in the database that would have matched with my grandparents?and one side of my tree. does that mean that we ourselves are related? She is the mother struggling to have an effect on her son when he no longer knows her. That's third cousins once removed. Their degree of relationship is 25.4 percent, compared to 25 percent for normal half-siblings -- not a big difference, but a difference nonetheless. As to what the families would think, that's for you to deal with. My paternal grandparents passed away long before autosomal DNA testing was available?or maybe even thought of. @anon335329: Well, Michelle is your mother's sister-in-law, so you could be Michelle's niece-in-law and she your aunt-in-law, but most people don't consider in-laws beyond mother/father, son/daughter, brother/sister. Even so, you and your girlfriend are not related to each other. @anon360270: Forgive me, but some people reading your first sentence might think it means your Dad's brother married your Dad's sister. I would love to know so we can tell our kids. I'll update you when I get DNA and maybe this help to further understand how this all works? But are they related "by marriage"? My mother has twenty-seven first cousins. Recent studies have proved what our ancestors instinctively knew: that first and second cousin marriages are the most fertile, resulting in the most children, second cousins slightly more. My mom and the guy she is engaged to now don't plan on getting married but if they did plan on getting married would that make me and his cousin not able to see each other in the future and yes I'm the daughter of the mom. Your parent's first cousin's child is this guy's parent, since your parent's first cousin is this guy's grandmother. @stolf: Thank you so much for the clarity and taking the time to reply to me. That way you know matches without a star most likely belong on the other side of your family. Jane has a grandparent who is the great-great-great-grandparent of John. I am her second cousin (through Mary's paternal side). Bill has son Will. It can get a little murky figuring out these relationships, and some people essentially avoid the issue and just call any relatives they know of as cousins or second cousins. So. And his second wife is my fourth cousin's third GGM. They are cousins to somebody in your direct line of descent, just not cousins to you -- that's why they are called "removed." The fraction of genetic inheritance you share is 1/512. They are also 2nd cousins, since his mother (2F-Davis) and her mother (2-Smith) are 1st cousins. No. How are we related? First off, your description of your family contains one mistake: you say Walter and Betty are fourth cousins, but if you count down, you will find they are actually third cousins. But adding 5 + 8 = 13 represents nothing! If A and B are equal, the answer could be anything from first cousin up to and including Ath cousin, along with sibling, and even you! Their sons Robert and William are each my 4th GGFs and 4th GGUncles because 4th cousins Walter and Betty married. Is Cal a blood relative of yours? Where does this leave me and her? My Aunt (dad's sister) and my father are from the same mom but they have different fathers. Apparently we share 25 percent of the same gene pool vs. 12 1/2 percent for regular cousins. They are also 2nd cousins, since his mother (2F-Davis) and her mother (2-Smith) are 1st cousins. Thanks for your help. Great job and thank you very much, but I'm still confused. And because genetic inheritance is random, unless your parent has an identical twin, a sibling is not going to be a perfect stand-in, but it?s a good start. My family doesn't make a big deal out of it, however they aren't sure for themselves if this is wrong or not. We are married with a 5 year old daughter. I will call those 2 sisters 1-Davis and 1-Smith. Not like I care too much but could anyone please tell me for sure? I have two sons. Genealogists call them "enhanced half-siblings." Maybe because the bloodlines were so strong – just my opinion. Their child is 3-Davis, your great grandmother. Is he your father's brother, your mother's brother, the husband of your father's sister, or the husband of your mother's sister? Legally, about half the states allow first cousins to marry, and all allow second cousins, so no worries there! Does that make me and my friend kin? Their common ancestors are their great-grandparents, who are two generations apart from them. We are half-fourth cousins from our common third GGF. Removals occur only when the relationship to the ancestor is separated by generation. Thank you! Step 1: What is your grandfather's niece? My first cousin and I share grandparents! Whether you should assign kinship names to these relationships is your choice. First, how is your uncle related to you? So if my Great-Great-Grandparents are someone else's Great-Great-Great Grandparents, how are we related? Instead, cousinship is based on two people’s common ancestor. (Learn more about using match filters.) Lewallen has two sets of "cousins," one through her father's family, one through her mother's family. Christy and Alan are my mums first cousins, while being first cousins with each other and are married to each other and have a child named Joe. Family finder services use autosomal DNA – DNA inherited from both your mother and father – and so it can be hard to tell which side of your family the relatives you discover are on. @lovelyme1: You can figure it out by taking it one step at a time. While most first cousins share one pair of grandparents, and each has another pair they don't share, you and your double first cousins share both pairs of grandparents. Really. Even more difficult is No. I have a question regarding a guy and myself. @anon926146: For sure. Again, you can use the star or note feature to mark these matches. My cousin is my boyfriend's cousin. Say your grandmother, their child, had a brother, your grand uncle. My grandfather had my mom, and his grandmother had his dad. Suffice is to say, you're "related by marriage.". The relationship should be fourth cousins once removed. As to why people married relatives like 1st cousins, 2nd cousins, etc. The bottom line is this: when you have interbreeding like this, some of the lines of descent that you can count back to common ancestors do not result in any additional genetic sharing, like the lines that make you appear to be your own sixth cousin. Once you link their results to your tree, you will automatically see a new Mother and/or Father filter option at the top of your match list page next to the Hints, New, and Starred tabs. Children born in mother and baby homes were 'moved across both sides of the border to be adopted' ... A Co Tyrone woman told The Irish News earlier this week that she was born while her … Thank you and sorry if this post was too long to read for anyone. @anon940387: Please don't be confused. What is the relationship for my 5th great-grandfathers brother's daughter to me? Dunno. Her mom is cousins of my uncle but not related to my grandpa. What does Charlie become to me? 1M Davis, who married No. Many other parents and students were present at the time, according to the prosecution. My biggest question out of many is: Using John and Nancy as the common ancestors, does this mean my mother is also my fifth cousin once removed? @321111: Let's call your 4G grandparent Anna. But my girlfriend is related to that cousin from his dad side. None of my family fell victim to these epidemics. Does that make us cousins? These questions may remain unanswered, and so be it. I have seen both sides of the MIL and DIL, dilemma!!! Queen Victoria and Charles Darwin married their first cousins, and the vast majority of your ancestors were the result of first and second cousin marriages. thank you Thomas. It sounds complicated, but that's how it works, as I understand it. I am a 22 year old male, and my fifth cousin is a young girl person with the last name "Lewallen" who is an eighth cousin to a girl named Cristen Walker (who happened to be my crush, when I was younger -- preschool through fourth grade crush), so what are Cristen and I? Upon seeing Lee’s actions, the mother became infuriated. Does that mean Bob is my first cousin once removed since I am next generation? Undetermined matches. And the son of your parent's uncle or aunt is your parent's first cousin. She punched Lee’s face. For that matter, you are your own sixth cousin. In genealogy, there are many of these, that even people who understand the basics aren't aware of. if so, how? Are we 13th cousins by marriage or what? In terms of percentages, that's 12.5 percent. In a legal sense, I would imagine that you could marry (not that that's what's going on here, but just as a for instance) in a state that didn't allow first cousin marriages since you are more distantly related than first cousins, although they may very well treat full and half relations the same, in which case you couldn't. Your grandmother and her brother (your grand uncle) are of the same generation. The common ancestor is one grandma who remarried. She lost both of her parents by the time she was 16. This means that you and your husband's genes are .78 percent the same and 99.22 percent different. I have an example: My mom and your mom are first cousins so what would that make you and I: second cousins? I would like to understand why they intentionally, it would seem, kept this marriage practice over generations? Not only does my mother in law stick her nose in our business, she is a constant presence in our children’s life. My aunt has a son with his cousin, so we have him as a mutual cousin. So mine and my male relatives (half cousin?) Cousins are reckoned from the closest common ancestor, and that would be your 3G grandfather. Confusing! If my cousin has children, does that mean me and her children are second cousins? If you?re trying to create a surrogate DNA profile for a parent, a brother or sister isn?t a perfect one-for-one replacement, but testing multiple siblings can help you build up a better substitute profile for a missing parent. But you are also a third cousin to Joe, since your mother Miriam and Joe's father Alan are second cousins. What makes it even more difficult to sort (besides why in the world would they repeat the marriage practices?) If my friend's grandfather is married to my great aunt (grandmother's sister), what degree of cousin are we? See how it works? does that make us related by blood or what? Your grandma's nephew is the son of your grandma's sibling, who is also your parent's uncle or aunt, right? Now you have 10 (example) Elizabeths and James per generation as well as being born so closely together. Each of them inherited 50% of each parent?s DNA, so by testing all four of them, I should have a pretty good profile of their parents? @anon285685 - if your grandmothers are first cousins, your parents (whichever it is, your mom and his dad, your two moms, etc.) It's not a problem as they can swirl around any time before birth, just mean's more back ache, and it does hurt sometimes lol #8 2RockinBoys, Oct 17, 2011. ttcnewbie123 Well-Known Member. @joe1973: We'll call her father Zeke. Thank you again. Blood relations are forever. My girlfriend and I just found out that my aunt was married to a man (been divorced for 20 years) who happens to be the brother of her uncle's wife. Just wondering if my cousin's brother's cousin is related to me or my sister. What am I to her? I am thinking he is my second cousin and he would have been my children's third cousin. Milena's sister, Eless had a child named Christy while Milena (my grandmother) had Miriam (my mum). Would that make my aunt's son and I first cousins? We all have our own children now, all of our children obviously share the same great grandparents as each other. About half the states prohibit first cousins or closer, but you are more distant than that, first cousins being 1/8 and you are 1/16. Think about your first cousin's first cousin. For half second cousins once removed it's a another quarter, or .78 percent. With her daughter on the brink of death the mother sold her salon to be by the teen’s side. Time passed and I asked her to marry me. Once you link their results to your tree, you will automatically see a new Mother and/or Father filter option at the top of your match list page next to the Hints, New, and Starred tabs. Tenth! The "aunt" in question is on your mother's side, completely unrelated to your Dad and his brother. If that makes any sense. Is it really that bad if we wanted to get married? Now may I ask you a question? If you have rhyme or reason to the last two questions, I would greatly appreciate your take on them. Halfway There @anon331317: They are second cousins. You are correct in saying that your mother Miriam and Christy are first cousins, since their mothers Milena and Eless are sisters. Now let's say Ned has a first cousin, the son of his father Joe's brother Bubba; I'll call this cousin Cal. We would like clarification how close we are. I understand that my grandmother is half sister to the two sons and daughter of Bill, but what does that make my husband and me? My father’s side has thinner hair with a receding hairline but no men that would be called “bald.” My husband and all the men on his father’s side are bald on top. Those are the only relations since his father (2 … If our great grandparents were first cousins, what does that make us? Using your reasoning, siblings would also be first cousins since they share grandparents, second cousins since they share great grandparents, third cousins since they share 2G grandparents, etc. They are half siblings first, I know, but are they also third cousins and third cousins once removed? Zack is also the son of your BF's first cousin, thus your BF's 1st cousin once removed. Let's see if I can break it down: my grandmother was the first to break this chain going back to the 1800s when two sisters (3rd great) married. We took a poll of questions AncestryDNA members had about their test results, and this one topped the list: How can I tell my paternal from my maternal matches? If my first cousin once removed is her great-great uncle, what does that make us? The old husband's father and new husband are second cousins. 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